Please identify this DeForest crosley console

[Dan Walker]

I am SHOWING you a photo of this radio that I am picking up tomorrow
.I am hoping you can TELL me the model .It is a Deforest Crosley, but the owner can’t find the TYPE or the MODEL
Thanks
Dan in Calgary.

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[Dan Walker]

I picked up the radio and find it is a model 83. I have not seen this cabinet before.
I do like the style
Dan in Calgary

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[Ralph Spracklin]

Hey Dan

Were you able to find a schematic for this radio. I’ve searched for one or even a picture of one without luck. That radio seems to have a lot in common with my Kent Model. What’s the tube line-up for this set?

Ralph

[Dan Walker]

Hello Ralph;
So far I have not been able to find a schematic for this radio.
I still have not found a photo of this cabinet. I have not taken the tubes out yet to get a tube line up.
I will do a tube count a little later today and report back. [The radio is in the garage and it is cold here today]

The disk I have tells me that the model 83 is a ”COUNTESS”, but so far I can’t find a photo of the ”countess.
I am thinking that the chassis might be one of the other models and the cabinet is different.
The ”KENT” model has four knobs and this one has five. I am leaning towards the ”Wales’ or the ”Empress” because of the knob configuration
I will keep looking
Thanks for your interest
Dan in Calgary

• This reply was modified 2 years, 4 months ago by Dan Walker. Reason: adding mor info

[Dan Walker]

Here is the tube line up for the model 83.
click on the center of the small photo to enlarge
Dan in Calgary

• This reply was modified 2 years, 4 months ago by Dan Walker. Reason: Instructions

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[Ralph Spracklin]

Hey Dan

Have you had any luck identifying this chassis or radio model. Sometime ago I read an article on how Rogers, would at least sometimes, send out to its agents/distributors across Canada, a trial model of the chassis, of a proposed new set (in a test cabinet) to get their input on that particular model. Could it be that this radio of yours could possibly be one of those new test models. (This of course was prior to a full pruduction run).

Also, within the same line-of-thought in the back of my mind, when I look at the pic of your radio back view (Picture is very blurred) it seems that the lettering on the Model and Name Tags, has been blocked intentionaly. (maybe I’m seeing things ) a sharper pic of the tag would clear that up. So I again ask, “Could this Radio be an experimental model, which never made the grade” ????

Ralph

[Dan Walker]

Ralph;
It could be an experimental model,but I looked on my RCC disk cross reference and the model 83 comes up as a ”Countess”
This is a model 83 as you can see in the photo I am posting now.
It is close to 0 F here now so I will have to get my heater going in the garage and pull the chassis.
Rogers, Majestic and DeForest Crosley had a lot of the same models with different names and possibly different cabinets for the same chassis.
Someone had put in a new multi can cap, so I want the schematic so I can get things right.
Once I pull the chassis I can post some photos,and we can go from there.
Dan in Calgary

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[Dan Walker]

I pulled the chassis and was surprised that someone had replaced the crumbling wires and did a good job.
They also put in new electrolytic caps.
The tubes tested good except for the two 6F6 tubes which were dead.
I will check out the transformer and field coil. The wires going to the indicator lights have to be changed
and a special 24 volt tuning bulb will need to be replaced.

I still have not found a schematic .
Dan in Calgary

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[Ralph Spracklin]

Morning Dan

I am following this one closley. I believe it will/might be interesting, just how much one can achieve without a proper schematic. This of course depends on whether you can find such a schematic. Please keep us posted on your progress, I think you are/will be in good shap on this one. And I also have hope that we can all benifit as to what we can learn from this restoration project of yours.

And by the way, I think the tube layout/path on your hand drawing is right on. I do wonder why the two 6F6s alone were out. (filaments I assume).
LOL
Ralph

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[Dan Walker]

I did an inspection on the transformer and it is good. Everything else looks good so I brought it up with a variac, to about 85 volts.
I did not get any sound but I did see a small wisp of smoke on what I believe is the sensitivity control. After looking at the control I see it is wire wound.
The problem is I don’t know where all the wires should be connected to with out a schematic.
That is as far as I got so far. It will be on the shelf for a couple of weeks. I will be going hunting, so I won’t get to it for a while.
Dan in Calgary

[Dan Walker]

I have been out hunting and I am now back to get this radio working.
A friend of mine told me that ”Just Radios”’ has the schematic for this model
I contacted Dave at Just Radios and he is sending me the schematics for this model.
I will keep you guys updated, after i get working on it
Dan in Calgary

[Ralph Spracklin]

Glad to hear that you are seemingly makling some inroads on this one. It looks like a nice clean chasis, and the person did do a neat upgade
wiring job. So I would guess he/she knew what he/she was doing and did not mess anything up with the wiring.

Ralph

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[fedorat]

I went trough the Rogers service manuals books 1, 2 and 3 covering from 1926 to 1940 and no mention of #83 or 1135. 11 is for 1936, so it could be an experimental model.

I have a publicity pamphlet for DeForest 1936 the only models with a slant dial are Wales, Empress and Kent. Wales and Empress have 5 knobs, Kent has only 4.

If someone is interested in having that pamphlet send me an email, it consist of 3 files of about 4.5 meg each.

Daniel in Montréal
dlabelle54@yahoo.54

[Dan Walker]

A bit of an update in this radio; I got the schematic from ”Just Radios”

Whoever did the replacement of wires did not know what they were doing.

It looks neat but As an example ,,they had the center tap going directly to the positive of one of the main caps.
I will have to replace the cadohm resistor, and there are six of them.

I am going to have to go through all of the wiring and check that it is correct.
Right now I have a bad chest cold, so it will be a while before I get to it.
The older you get the more time it takes to recover from this chest cold.
Thanks for the interest
Dan in Calgary

[Dan Walker]

Well I seem to be feeling a bit better.
I took some markers and went over the schematic tracing every wire and now they are in order.
I was going to change the cadohm resistor but after unsoldering the connections ALL the resistance values were very close,
so I re soldered the wires back on.
If you look at the photos you can see how large the cadohm resistor is [across the end of the chassis]
I brought it up with the variac and nothing bad happened, but I could not get a station although my MP3 plays very good through the amp,
and the volume and tone work fine.
Next is to change all the caps ,and recheck the tubes and band switch.
In the past I have found that sometimes a radio will not work until all the caps have been changed.
I am very happy that I have come this far with the radio..
There is still hope.
Dan in Calgary

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